borrowed. >> the last time they couldn't get the debt ceiling under, that's where we got to the fiscal cliff, right? >> that's right. that big fight over raising the debt ceiling. remember, the danger -- this is one reason the president wanted the first deal, the thing he's really thinking about when he says i am not negotiating, i'm not letting this in negotiations, raising the debt ceiling, he doesn't want the worlds destabilized. he wants to get the united states' fiscal house in order. he doesn't want a fight. historically this has not been a big fight. if the republicans hold his ground and the president holds his ground, the fight we had over the fiscal cliff will look like child's play compared to this battle. >> john boehner re-elected speaker of the house this week but not without republican defections. if there are winners and losers -- hate using that term because it seems that everything is about winning and losing. but it there are winners and losers, did boehner come out roughed up? >> he's a little roughed up. there was token opposition to him. his problem is one of the